Seyla (00:02):

Thank you, everyone for joining today’s episode of the How To Do It Real Estate podcast. I am your host Seyla [Inaudible] and today’s guest is Anthony Angotti. Anthony is a full-time realtor and investor with five years of experience has a portfolios of seven to six units. He is based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome Anthony.

Anthony (00:23):

Hey, pleasure to be here.

Seyla (00:25):

Thank you so much for coming on to the shows today. Can you please share a little bit more about your background and how did you get started with real estate?

Anthony (00:33):

Yeah, so originally my background, I actually have my master’s degree in microbiology, so I started out in science. I right after graduating from university, I went and did laboratory type sales to pay off my student loans. And then after that, I went into a laboratory job and worked in quality assurance, kind of overseeing the quality side of the clean room. I worked for a pharmaceutical company. And then during that time I started house hacking with my then girlfriend now wife. And we bought a couple of buildings and I was doing a little bit of real estate sales on the side. And then eventually my real estate sales started to pick up a lot to the point that it no longer made sense to work full time at my old position. So I negotiated a little bit of like a work from home for a time towards the end and kind of did both jobs. And then eventually just went full-time real estate, which is what I do now between being an agent and being an investor. It gives me plenty busy. So that’s where I am today.

Seyla (01:41):

So for having a master degree and having a real good job, I mean, you mentioned that it doesn’t make sense anymore to do the full-time job anymore. How was that transition coming along to do full times in real estate?

Anthony (02:00):

I just think that my personality works a little bit more as an entrepreneur type than it does as an employee. I just didn’t really enjoy working for someone else. So I was always looking for ways out of that ways to kind of quit my job. I think that’s probably, if it’s not all of everybody, it’s 90% of people. I feel like in a real estate to try to quit their day job. That’s why a lot of people get started. So that’s I just wasn’t, you know, I didn’t, I didn’t have a bad job. I didn’t hate it. I just wasn’t really built to kind of work for somebody else. I don’t think it wasn’t the thing that I wanted. And additionally, by the time I made the decision to put in my notice to quit, I was making more money selling real estate as an agent part-time then I was making my with my day job. So I say part-time, but it was really kind of just like two full-time jobs home. Most I worked more than 40 hours a week on both things. So but I made it work and then that point it was just time to choose one or the other. And I, I figured I would choose the way that provided me with better long-term prospects, I think. And then also just more freedom and flexibility out into that. So it was a great decision for me and I, I wouldn’t change anything other than maybe quitting sooner.

Seyla (03:17):

And you talk a little bit of how you guys did house hacking and how’s that coming about and how did you get started with that house hacking process?

Anthony (03:28):

Yeah, so how it started was my, like I said, my girlfriend at the time wife now, I was not too happy with my job and she just I, you know, I didn’t want to work for 40 plus years of my life and then just retire whenever I was, you know, too old to enjoy my retirement more or less. And she introduced me to the Bigger Pockets podcast and they had mentioned house hacking, which for most nurses who might not know there’s multiple ways of house hack, generally, it just means using your primary residence as an investment like an introduction to investment. It could be not an introduction, but typically it’s people’s introduction. So instead of trying to do like a live in flip, which some people do, or like an Airbnb thing where they use one of the rooms around rent, the other rooms, we just in Pittsburgh, there’s a lot of small multifamily housing stock.

Anthony (04:23):

So two to four unit buildings and we bought a duplex that needed some work. It was a foreclosure well REO property, if people are familiar, that just means real estate owned. It’s basically after it goes through the foreclosure process and the bank owns it and then they sell it on the market. But we bought one of those with an owner occupants. I blown, we didn’t use FHA. It was just through a, a bank, a local bank. They did 10% down. We bought that property fix it up as we lived there. The decision was pretty easy. Once you look at the numbers and you look at house hacking as a strategy, you save so much money. Its housing is I think they say it’s a third of people’s living expense. So once you do that, once you get rid of that third of your living expense, it’s super easy to save money, to keep growing your investments and everything like that.

Anthony (05:19):

I came from it with a, in a position where I didn’t have any student that leftover. I had no, I had like a car loan, but, but that was it. But we still had kind of like, we didn’t have that much cash, which is probably the one thing that I would change. I think starting with more cash had been useful, but we were lucky in that we had you know, a little bit of help with repairs from, from family at the beginning. Otherwise it would have been challenging to make the place liveable at the beginning.

Seyla (05:49):

So will you be able to talk some of the numbers of the house hacking at that time when the buildings that purchase, how much did you rent it for us and all that?

Anthony (06:00):

Yeah, so I feel like the, the numbers from right at the beginning are like a little bit, every time I answer, I feel like it’s hard for me to remember specifics, but roughly we bought it for $155,000. So each side was three bedrooms, a side-by-side they had two garages or one garage each for each side, the garages are detached. A lot of there’s a lot of detached garages in Pittsburgh, basically. That just means that it’s not part of the property. It’s like a separate structure. So we went in, we fixed up the one side, spent less than, probably less than 2000, $3,000. And then we were able to rent the other side pretty quickly after purchasing the building for, I think it was 10 50 or 10 95 a month. So 1000, right around a thousand dollars per month in our mortgage payment for principal and interest with $760 a month.

Anthony (07:00):

So even with that even with that one side rented, we were coming out ahead a little bit on the like a basically helped us pay our taxes and insurance on top of that. And then additionally, we rented the garages for, I can’t remember if at that time they were 50 or a hundred dollars each, I think they might’ve been $50 each. So that added an additional a hundred dollars per month of income. And so we were doing pretty well as far as that goes. However, we did have a lot of repairs. So that’s where I said, like, you know, we didn’t get like an exorbitant amount of money from family and to get started, but they definitely helped with part of the part of the down payment. And then there was a sewer stack in the house that was like $9,000.

Anthony (07:49):

And that was something that we did get some help from family to fix. But everything else, we kind of did ourselves cosmetically on our side, but we probably put 8,000 or $10,000 in materials into the one side and then our own sweat equity or in labour and to fixing them up when I, when I started, I wasn’t handy at all, but I between YouTube and my father, who’s fairly handy. I kind of learned quickly how to do some basic house repairs. And I do tell everybody that gets started, like starting out by doing everything yourself on the first property. Isn’t the most efficient way. But if you’re in a position where you can do that, it’s a tremendous learning experience. And you can take that experience that you get into your future, where you might not be doing everything, but that education that you get is going to help you, you know, so much as far as making sure you’re not getting ripped off by contractors, making sure that they’re doing things correctly, making sure the timelines, everything like that. So that’s kind of a little bit more than you for as far as just numbers, but that was the income. I don’t know if you have any questions we could go into the expenses if you want to, but

Seyla (09:04):

That’s pretty awesome. I mean one, one of the things about that is you mentioned the garage was the tight. But have you ever thought about converted the garage into another, a unit and then we can actually go to expense after it? Yeah.

Anthony (09:19):

Not really. It’s not that kind of garage. It’s kind of like an unheated just structure. It’s pretty much just walls and a roof. So it wouldn’t really be conducive to turning into an actual dwelling unit, but that, you know, I had to do no other investors who turned like garages apartments above garages and either permitted or in some cases not permitted. And they lived there while they rented the house and, you know, it’s a great value add potential.

Seyla (09:49):

Yep. And then what are the things you know, like when you’re talking about how hacking it, it seems like it makes sense, you know, like you have a tendency to actually paint the property for you. And then what are the expenses that majority, majority of us like oversee when we doing the house acting?

Anthony (10:09):

Yeah. So the expenses are very similar to, to any rental property. So, I mean, you’re going to have your taxes and insurance in addition to your principal and interest, which are same expenses is just owning a home or any investment property. And then additionally I just specific numbers wise. I think that our taxes are around $400 a month. So that’s what our taxes on the building, where our insurance was around $80 a month on this building. And then additionally there’s repairs and maintenance and stuff like that. Just like anything it’s actually a little bit lower when you live there, because if you are reasonably handy, you can fix some of the more basic things yourself versus calling a contractor for every, every little task. Additionally you have your, you know, your utilities, whatever utilities aren’t split in our case, all of the utilities were split.

Anthony (11:07):

So we, I think we paid water because it’s common in our market, but we didn’t have to, that was just a poor choice to be honest. But so then the utilities are another, and then you have other things that you factor in. Like, I think even when people are house hacking, it’s useful to still give yourself some amounts of just when you’re calculating your expenses for property management. Because even if you’re doing it, it’s still useful to consider your time into the equation. So we usually budget around 5% of the rents for property management at this. And that’s actually been pretty useful because at this point we have, we’re actually more than the 76 units. Now we’re getting closer to a hundred and we employ an I’m a property management and also a handyman employee. So that 5% that we were budgeting for property management at the beginning, we continued to do that for every property.

Anthony (12:01):

And that’s been useful because that amount of money allowed us to kind of hire staff to help with everything, which has been a huge accelerant to the whole investing process. And then lastly, you just have kind of a Phantom expense, which is like your vacancy rate. So you’re basically just budgeting for when people could be living there, but are not living there. So when the buildings vacant and we usually budget anywhere between five and 8% based on the market of friends. So the 50% rule that people talk about on the internet usually ends up coming out, close to close to what it is. So there you be.

Seyla (12:40):

Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing that information. And I want to ask about when house hacking, one of the main thing is privacy. How did you deal with the privacy between your 10 and yourself living next door and how did you build a relationship? Making sure that it’s a good relationship with your tenant.

Anthony (13:01):

Yeah, so we actually, we still house hacks. So my wife and I have been living in half a duplex for the past six years, basically in our scenario. It’s really not that bad because, because it’s a duplex, so it’s pretty much just like they have their apartment. We have our apartment. It’s not, not combined. If you got into a situation where the tenant was not paying or there was some kind of thing like that that could be, could be stressful. We have not had that happen to us in one of our house hacks because we’ve been very selective, as far as the tenants are concerned, we just, we do a pretty thorough job screening, not just on our P our house act property, it’s on all of our properties, but even more so on the ones that we live in, we definitely pay a lot of extra attention to the screening.

Anthony (13:55):

We make sure that they all are very clean tenants. Like just, you know, they don’t have any, I’d say they don’t have any buts or they don’t have any stories. Because like you run into people all the time where they have a story. It’s like my credit’s bad, but it’s only because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. My car broke down last month and dah, dah, dah, dah. But I’m good now. Like we don’t want any stories on our properties. So we, we try to handle it, handle it up front as far as selection of the peoples concerned. And then additionally at this point in time, and even at the beginning it’s a little bit harder when you’re house hacking, but we don’t tell our tenants that we own them. We just tell our tenants that we manage them. And then people think that you’re just kind of doing your job. So it just changes that dynamic around the little bit that people weren’t really trying to take advantage of you as much or take advantage of the situation that sort of thing, but we never really had much of an issue with it. As far as the tenants are concerned, I had issues with tenants in my whole portfolio, but never with the house hacks.

Seyla (15:02):

So that makes sense. And so Anthony is a, at what point did you discover the multifamily and how did you get into that space? By multiple

Anthony (15:15):

And I assume you mean like five plus unit type buildings? Because we do apartment buildings. What really happened was so as a realtor, my first two clients are actually two sets of clients. I have two companies with each of them separate companies, but they were both interested in investing in apartment buildings in Pittsburgh, but the one set of partners they’re in California. And then the other side of the other partner he’s in Hawaii. So they were both interested in growing a portfolio in Pittsburgh and we were working well together as like an agent customer type thing. It was nice to get started that way because we sort of knew each other’s goals and how the other people worked. And then they actually approached me and just said, Hey, I have, you know, I have money. I would like to get into this.

Anthony (16:05):

Would you be interested in kind of being the boots on the ground type person that goes in and does everything? And that’s how I got into it at first. Just kind of got linked up with the right people, people with similar mind-set people that I had known in a business relationship already, and then we kind of grew from there. So that’s how I got started with it. As far as making the decision to do it, I was already doing small multifamily. I never really wanted to get into single family. I’ve had a few houses, single family houses, but I got out of that space just because the economies of scale with multifamily really, I really liked that a lot more. Single family houses. It’s just when the place is vacant, you’re paying all the bills. I like it a lot better whenever there are multiple apartments, all kind of paying for the property. So that’s how I got started. I, I kind of leveraged relationships and partnerships to grow and that’s how I’ve been continuing to grow now as well.

Seyla (17:03):

Will you be able to talk a little bit about how about your first apartment or first multifamily [Inaudible] and where was it you mentioned about Pittsburgh and you know, like how, what was the most challenge that coming along with that?

Anthony (17:22):

So our first property was kind of its maybe 30 minutes away from the city. I found it because when I was quitting my job like one of the last few days I was actually talking to a co-worker who owned an apartment building and he was kind of, I just told him, I tell everybody that the easiest way to find deals is just to tell everyone, you know, what you’re trying to do. And as long as you stay active in this space and everyone knows what you’re up to, eventually they will you know, they’ll bring you deals, but they need to know that you’re serious. So I told him before I left, I said, Hey, you know, I, I buy buildings if you’re ever interested in selling your building, let me know. And then after, after quitting, he contacted me and said, hey, you know, we’re, and we’re ready to sell our, our 10.

Anthony (18:14):

They had a 10 unit building. It’s kind of like a complex though. It’s a five unit, a four unit and a one unit on the same or single family house on the same lot. And when we purchased it, he had you know, he wanted to pay off all of his, his mortgage debt and all of his person, his debt himself. So he was looking for a specific number and then also a good value. We paid two 50 with $50,000 in like interest over time on top of that as a seller finance note. And then additionally, it was like $50,000 principal, $50,000 interest over 30 years for the seller finance note. And then the, or maybe 20 years, I can’t run a specifics. And then the bank loan was for the remainder. So the bank loan was 25% down for $200,000. And so we bought it that way at the beginning.

Anthony (19:17):

They were only renting for, I want to say it was anywhere between 300 and $400 a unit. And the area was very, was decent. It’s like a C class type area. It’s not its pretty safe area. It’s just not the highest income area. And, but the market rent for these properties was around $750 a month, $700 a month. So there was a lot of value add there. And unlike a lot of multifamily buildings, all of the utilities were separate. So water was separate gas, electric, everything. And when I asked him and we were buying the property, like, why are your rents so low? Because the properties were, they were dated, but they weren’t in terrible condition. They were actually in, in okay condition. And he just, he said, well, we always had really good tenants, but we didn’t want to raise the red.

Anthony (20:10):

And then I said, okay, well, how do we market them? And then he said that the only way they were marketing them was by putting them in the newspaper. So it’s not a very effective marketing strategy. And to his credit though, they did, they did come with very, very good tenants, but we saw this as a value, add opportunity, increase the rents make the units nicer. Do some things like that to get, we would make the units on the street, get the rent up. So day one, we sent everyone notices and the notices said when your lease is expire, your rent’s going to go up to $600 per month. If you want it to stay great. You’re welcome to stay. If you want to leave, you can get out of your lease anytime between now and the end of your lease with, with no penalty.

Anthony (20:55):

So we ended up having over time about half the building left that half of the building that left. We, we renovated them. I, part of the difficulty with this was that the beginning, that property was 50, more than 50 minutes away from me driving and to save money because we got started a little bit scrappy. We didn’t really have that much money. I was the one doing all the work. So it was very time consuming to go drive the property all the time, try to unit’s done. So the unit turns were taking forever because I was doing it. And but over time I stopped that. But the first day, first couple I did myself and we got the rents up about half. The people today have stayed at $600 per month. And then half of the people have vacated. And now those are rented out for seven 50.

Anthony (21:46):

So we recently refinanced the property and it was worth it’s worth five, like 500 and twenty-five hundred 75 or something like that. I can’t remember even what the, what the appraisal was, but the point was we were able to refinance the property, pay off all of the debt on the property, and then that partner and I also my last single family house, we own that. And that refinance was able to pay off all of our initial capital and the seller finance note and everything. So we’re totally out of initial investment we’re to the whole, we refining and South the cash. And now it’s kind of like infinite return type territory, which is nice. So that’s actually the first building that I’ve been collecting money on monthly, every other property that I’ve done in the whole history of everything, all of the nearly 100 units, except that the partners and I do not take money from, and that’s been very important towards our growth because we’re reinvesting in the business versus taking the money out to feed, to feed ourselves. We all still have other jobs. Like I still work as a realtor and everything. So that’s kind of the story. The first one the challenge would just be getting everything done with limited capital. That was just a lot of elbow grease basically. And then you know, we did have an eviction in there, but that’s just kind of standard and landlord troubles. I’ve been through enough now that those don’t bother me as much anymore.

Seyla (23:16):

Wow. That was a really great deal. And when did you purchase that property again? 2018. Wow. Within the two years, you already refinanced and get the equities back. So that’s a really good deal. Yep. Everything.

Anthony (23:40):

We do is value add. So the strategy is after a year to refinance all of the properties that we do. So that’s, that’s the strategy for, for everything. Everything that we do has some components of distressed seller distressed building. And then we usually change the tenant populous by people just kind of naturally leave whether we up the rent or don’t, or they just don’t like a landlord that pays attention. A lot of the tenants that we buy, the buildings that the old landlord’s kind of burned out and they don’t really, they don’t really have high standards on who they put in there. So people are used to just somebody not paying attention to the building or letting them slide. And then a lot of times our people will leave after the beginning, usually like half turnover naturally. So that’s kind of how we do.

Seyla (24:35):

And how many unit was it?

Anthony (24:37):

The apartment building we bought?

Seyla (24:39):

Yes,

Anthony (24:40):

That was 10. So that was, like I said, it was a complex kind of, it was like all one lot. And then there was a single family house, a four unit and a five feet unit all on the same property.

Seyla (24:52):

Awesome. Wow. Congratulations on that. And that was a really good deal. And so what happened after then? How did you able you and your partners or your company’s able to scale up to 76 units?

Anthony (25:07):

Just a combination of, like I said, a, you tell everybody you should be, you’re listening to, you should be telling everybody that they know of what they’re trying to do and what they’re trying to accomplish. So then anybody that hears about it or knows us, we’ve had deals just kind of come through the pipeline that way. And then additionally, we send out direct mail to pretty much every multi-family owner in Pittsburgh that we can hit. And then we’ve also just kind of fostered like broker relationships too. We, my one partnership, that’s kind of the main growth partnership. We all, just, each of us have our roles, like I’m responsible for operations. So I manage the team and everything like that. I have one partner who’s responsible for acquisitions solely. So he manages the mailers talking to the respective sellers, building the broker relationships that sort of thing.

Anthony (26:00):

And then we have another partner who’s really, who’s responsible for like raising a lot of the capital that we raise. So we raise like private debt to do a lot of our work on the properties, like to do our you know, renovating of the properties and everything. So he’s responsible for that. That team model has kind of been a good catalyst for us, but then generally speaking, the growth has just come from trying to find deals because we have somebody dedicated, we, we don’t have too much of a problem with the money side anymore. It’s more, more the deal flow. But then also a big part of our growth has come from kind of outsourcing a lot of the operations. Like I said, we hired somebody to handle the property management. That’s an actual employee and we handled a handyman, that’s an employee.

Anthony (26:49):

And that control that we have over those people is very valuable because they’re dedicated to our stuff. It’s not like an external property manager. I do not like external property managers. I managing the manager is far more stressful than just having a, I’m lucky to have very qualified, very responsible, very on top of it, employees, both of them don’t really require too much handholding or oversight. They’re both very dedicated to kind of ensuring that the business is doing better by their actions. So I’m lucky in that respect, but just external property managers. I don’t, we never, that was never part of our strategy to outsource it. So that’s been a big thing.

Seyla (27:34):

That’s awesome. Anthony, thank you so much for sharing all these implementations and people are recording. You mentioned that you and your teams also have a podcast and I found it very fascinating and very interesting. Would you be able to talk a little bit about your podcast, the name of the podcast, how many times you’ll release and what make it so very special? Sure.

Anthony (27:59):

So yeah, I have a co-host, his name’s John. We have a podcast called [Inaudible]. So define us. You can go anchor.com/ [Inaudible] all is one word, and that’ll take you to every player. The thing about our podcasts that we do, it’s a little bit different is the listeners can call them with questions and we answer the questions on the show. So the number for that’s (412) 212-8366, and they can call in just have to say where your, you know, your name, where you’re calling from and your question, and we’ll answer it on the show. We play the questions on the show too. So you hear the person’s question, it breaks it up a little bit, so you’re not just hearing my voice Johan’s voice. And then we also target kind of a little bit more entertainment than just education.

Anthony (28:44):

We do almost every week. We do what we call a Florida tenants’ stories. So just kind of like a ridiculous situation. Like we had a story about a guy who cut holes in the walls and put fish in them and then plastered over us a story about a guy that kept an alligator in the basement. And then we do a, we have one episode, two, but all play by play of this guy who had like a two year long eviction story, which was, which is not. And I don’t know how his, we called him Lenny on the show, but this guy, just a great story for anybody. If you’re ever in an eviction, realized that kid doesn’t really get worse than that story. That’s like the worst fossil one dude was growing plants on the roof doing, he had a cat litter room, the whole room was cat litter and his cats would go to town and his knots. So, but yeah, that’s, that’s a little bit about the podcast. Like I said, be [Inaudible] would love to have, have questions from, from anybody that wants, you know, their, their answers on the shift.

Seyla (29:45):

Awesome. Sounds like a way entertaining and way knowledgeable podcasts and yeah. And so listeners that you listen to it, you know, check out entities, podcast be free. I E so check that out. So Anthony, so I have a couple more questions as our closing questions has real estate investing impacted your life so far?

Anthony (30:10):

I think it’s just going to lead me towards a lot of freedom and flexibility in my life. So rather than having to go to work every day, I still work. I probably work more hours than I did before doing real estate now. But the difference is that it’s all my time and it’s for myself. So I’m not spending a bunch of time in a job, making someone else money, making someone else rich. I’m building my own future. And without real estate, I wouldn’t have without real estate investing. I wouldn’t have come to being a realtor as a full-time job, which for me works perfectly. I have a team as a, as a realtor, so it’s nice to help others kind of achieve their goals too. But yeah, really that freedom and flexibility in my life has been you know the biggest change and the best thing from it.

Seyla (31:00):

Awesome. So what is one thing that, you know now about real estate that you wish you knew when you first started?

Anthony (31:08):

There was a lot of things there. Just that I think, I think I kind of gathered us a little bit at the beginning, but I really didn’t even know what I didn’t know at that time. Just the things that people talk about on the internet, when you look at something that someone says on the internet about their deals or whatever, you should never be comparing yourself to other people because people only talk about their best possible deal on the internet. Like everybody only says, Oh, even the story that I told you, it was my first apartment building and it was a good deal, but I’ve done plenty of like just average deals and the truth is that real, estate’s a very get rich slow type thing. Like you’re not going to get rich quick. The way to build wealth in real estate is just by continuing to action and continue just purchasing solid properties.

Anthony (31:58):

Every if you keep purchasing solid properties, ones that just perform, you know, decent in line with regular returns, you’re not going after home runs, you’re just purchasing good properties. You’re going to build a lot more wealth than if you’re stuck, trying to find just home runs all the time. You might get three really good properties over the course of 10 years, but that’s nothing compared to buying 2010 30, whatever, just good deals that are building wealth long-term because that long-term appreciation that long-term rent growth, that long-term principal pay down, that’s where your wealth is not in your outsized, your one, everything. So as the biggest thing that I learned from the beginning is that it’s a get rich slow thing more, a lot more so than get rich fast.

Seyla (32:46):

Great lessons. Thank you for sharing that. So what is one thing that sets successful people apart in the real estate investing business?

Anthony (32:55):

Yeah. So this goes along with that last thing, because like I said, it does take time to a lot of time to build wealth with real estate. And I think that the biggest thing that sets you apart is just persistence. So just that you’re willing to keep going at it. And then no matter what happens in your path, whether it’s good or bad or whatever, you’re just persistent enough to have focus on the long-term vision, what you want at the end. Like, you know, you know, that what you’re trying to create is financial freedom. A lot, most people finance get drawn in financial freedom for yourself and your family and everything like that. And you just need to, when things go bad or when they go good, you can’t get too high, you can’t get too low, you just need to keep doing the same things every day that are going to lead you towards success. So that persistence is what separates the people that actually get to financial independence and the people that make it as a real estate investor versus the people that just try and flame out and fail. And it’s just another thing that they were interested in.

Seyla (33:53):

So what tools or techniques have you used to improve the efficiency of your P your business or personal life?

Anthony (34:01):

As far as business is concerned, I mean, definitely hiring the employees was the biggest thing. I mean, even on a smaller level, people could do this just by hiring a virtual assistant to take care of a lot of the repetitive tasks that don’t really require as much. You know, they’re not the value add type tasks, like pulling lists, sending mail reminders for things that sort of thing on the business end, that’s been the most helpful thing. And on both business and personal, I started there’s an app that I use called habits and that’s been like the most beneficial thing to me. It’s literally just timers with things that you want to do and how often you do them and you just check them off and it gives you like a score with how well you’re doing with them. So for me, it’s everything from like reading.

Anthony (34:50):

So I try to read 10 business pages a day from like a business book and I just check it off every day. I do Spanish and Dutch Duo lingo every day I check it off there’s laundry in there, there’s run, there’s weigh yourself, make your bed, do your laundry everything’s in there. And I find that that just helps me a lot with balance in life, as far as making sure that I’m doing everything that needs to be done. There’s, there’s also like spend time with wife, spend, see parents, see brother blue, everything’s in this habitat. And it’s just it’s been a super beneficial thing for me just to make sure that I’m doing everything that I should be doing to live a successful and balanced life.

Seyla (35:32):

That’s awesome. So I’m going to have to check that app out. So thank you so much for coming on to the shows. Today’s we really appreciate you sharing your knowledge, your journeys, and the tips and tricks of how to house hack into your even multifamily investing. And we will learn a lot from you. So if our listeners wanted to find out more about you and your company, where can they go?

Anthony (35:57):

Yeah, like I said, they can follow, they can go follow the podcast. So like, can subscribe to that. And then additionally I’m on Instagram at four one, two agent. So they can follow me on Instagram. I’m also all over the place. Just bigger pockets, Facebook, all those different things. Not very hard to find me. My phone number and email address are on all those sites too. So if you’re interested in investing in Pittsburgh, you can find me on Bigger Pockets, hit me up with a message, that sort of thing. But yeah, so, you know, just search my name four one, two agent.com at four one, two, agent Instagram, all these different things, and that’s where they can find out more.

Seyla (36:34):

Awesome. Thank you so much, Anthony.

Anthony (36:36):

Yeah. Thank you.